Bungi Bill

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  Why is the world full of ATHEISTS?

  by exWTslave in

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  bible describes atheism as a condition of the heart and is all about seeking what is ephemeral, not acting with insight.

  (psalm 14:1, 2) thus it rightly says the whole world is lying in the attraction of what is ephemeral.

  (wicked one is not a correct translation.1 john 5:19) thus even believers who pray to god (for material blessings) are actually atheists as they are not trying to be poor in spirit.

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  Bungi Bill

  "Why is the world full of atheists?"

  Using the vernacular of where I grew up, I would say because a lot of people have had a complete gutsfull of religion.

  Bill
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  Contradictory geneology of Jesus

  by rebel8 in

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  so i'm reading another carl sagan book and he seems to invariably find a way to slam j-dubs in each one.

  (i can't say i blame him.).

  anyway, in this one he discusses the fact that the gospels give contradictory geneologies of jesus--differing lines back to david from joseph, and a different number of generations.

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  I remember the smart @$$ "pioneer" brother who "brought me into the truth", as we used to say.

  Whenever anybody tried to tell him that the first five books of the Bible are pure mythology (which was the official position of most, if not all, of the mainstream churches), he used to point this above-mentioned lineage of Jesus Christ, and challenge "Where does the truth cease and the mythology start?" Supposedly a thought stopper!

  Bill.
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  Said from the platform: "You are not surviving Armaggedon if you are spiritually weak"

  by Daniel1555 in

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  today i was at the meeting (i go there about once a month now).

  in the service meeting they had a part where they interviewed the secretary of the congregation.. so one question was: "why are the service reports so important?".

  our secretary explained that the reports are important, because the elders can see, who is spiritually weak.

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  Bungi Bill

  So much for salvation being a "free gift from God" like the Bible says it is. According to this lot, it is salvation by report card !

  Bill.
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  I do not miss anything about the conventions

  by Darth Fader The Sequel in

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  this weekend nearly everyone i have ever known or that i am related to is sitting in a convention.

  i miss none of it!!!!.

  i do not miss:.

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  Bungi Bill

  The only thing about conventions that I ever looked forward to was when the bloody thing was going to end!

  Bill
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  The Rise Of The Brics Alliance

  by metatron in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-19/brics-plan-become-political-alliance-reform-international-financial-system.

  step by step, the chinese seem to be building a complete alternative financial system - independent of anglo-america.

  this includes their own version of the imf and their own credit rating agency (which just downgraded the debt of the us).. meanwhile, the world obsesses with putin - which has all the appearance of the western world 'being played' by a "good cop, bad cop" routine.

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  Bungi Bill

  Who thinks living in China or Russia is a picnic?

  Did anyone make that claim?

  Bill
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  The Rise Of The Brics Alliance

  by metatron in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-19/brics-plan-become-political-alliance-reform-international-financial-system.

  step by step, the chinese seem to be building a complete alternative financial system - independent of anglo-america.

  this includes their own version of the imf and their own credit rating agency (which just downgraded the debt of the us).. meanwhile, the world obsesses with putin - which has all the appearance of the western world 'being played' by a "good cop, bad cop" routine.

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  kaik,

  Very true - and so much for that arch-dingbat, Frederick Franz, and his talk of the "King of the North" being the "Communist Block."

  The facts are that the Chinese Communists achieved power without any more than token assistance from the Soviet Union, they certainly took no orders from Joseph Stalin, and after 1960 neither country even pretended that they were on the same side.

  Yugoslav Communism owed allegiance to nobody at all (Tito having hoisted the proverbial two-fingered salute at Stalin at the end of WWII), and North Vietnam likewise took no orders from anybody else (while Ho Chi Mihn and his successors accepted help from whoever would give it to them, they were not being directed by either Moscow or Peking - as that whizz kid Henry Kissinger found out when he thought that by acquiring friendship with the USSR and China, he could then get them to call off North Vietnam!)

  If a "Communist Block" under "Soviet leadership" did indeed exist, then it existed only inside Fred Franz's head!

  Bill
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  They continue to drop like flies

  by suavojr in

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  yes, the jws continue to bleed their young ones, so far in my local kh 3 were dfd, one girl just turned 18 this month and packed her bags and said goodbye to the cult and her cultish parents, another young 18 year old man decided to have a non-jw girlfriend and decided to stop attending and is no longer a witness.

  they continue to leave and wt leaders dont give a damn.

  they dont do anything to help kids be successful and live a healthy life.. .

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  The GB takes everything away and replaces it with nothing

  As WC Stevenson expressed it in his 1975 - Year of Doom? "no other religious group would demand so much from its followers, in return for so little."

  For the most part, those that have remained with the JW religion seem to pay lip service to its more extreme requirements, but in private keep their own counsel. Which begs the question, why bother at all?

  Bill.
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  Online Higher Education

  by SonoftheTrinity in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  since the faithful and discreet slave class now opposes higher education because it allegedly brings with it 'bad association', i wonder what their take is on online education.

  let's remember that distance education was pioneered by fundamentalist saudi arabia and apartheid south africa for the very reasons that the jehovah's witnesses criticize higher education.

  my wife is one of the faithful and i fear for our kids future, that they will see no point in keeping their grades up.

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  Bungi Bill

  I can only say this again - the online engineering course that I am doing does permit ready interaction between students and instructor, or between students and each other. It is a simple matter of speaking into a microphone, and listening through a set of headphones!

  As to online colleges being somehow inferior to others, in this part of the world such prestigious insitutions as Deakin, Monash, Griffith and Curtin Universities offer online courses.

  Bill.
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  Online Higher Education

  by SonoftheTrinity in

  1. watchtower
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  since the faithful and discreet slave class now opposes higher education because it allegedly brings with it 'bad association', i wonder what their take is on online education.

  let's remember that distance education was pioneered by fundamentalist saudi arabia and apartheid south africa for the very reasons that the jehovah's witnesses criticize higher education.

  my wife is one of the faithful and i fear for our kids future, that they will see no point in keeping their grades up.

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  Will they become engineers, without knowing how to collaborate and work with a team ?

  Part of the online engineering course that I am doing actually includes carrying out a group project with five other students. Such technologies as Skype, Dropbox etc. now make this possible. Practical exercises are also a regular feature of this course, using a technology called "Virtual Lab." This is veryreal: - the only thing missing is the electric shock you would otherwise receive if you were being a bit careless!

  Distance Education has come a long way since the days of International Correspondence Schools (ICS), and similar such institutions of the "Snail Mail" age.

  All this may be derided by some, and I can quite see their point. However, on-line education does give the likes of myself a second chance

  i.e. Having missed out on going to university for reasons all of us here are all too familiar with, and now working full time on remote sites, far away from any college.

  Bill.
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  STOP calling JW's a CULT--unless . . . they fit the checklist!

  by Terry in

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  it is unkind, premature and even irresponsible to label people with whom we disagree using pejorative names.. for example, labeling a movement as a cult.. consider this example:.

  sociologists d. bromley and a. shupe once described what they called the tnevnoc cult.

  membership was open only to women, who were required to shave their heads, change their names, and wear specific clothing once they had entered the group.

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  Bungi Bill

  In other words, thay are a bloody cult all-right!

  Bill